how to manage hyper-v from XP

"Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>
>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@microsoft.com...
>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>> > hyper-v
>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>> > plans
>> > for
>> > a local admin tool?
>>
>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>> Hyper-V
>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>> but
>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>> mode
>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan
>>
>
> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
> and
> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
> too.
> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>

Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to
have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered
remotely.

> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
> skip
> Vista, that is a fact.
>

XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on October
25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in technoillygy
term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre the Aug 24th 01
RTM. Either way you are using an old OS

> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at work,
> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
> be
> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).


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"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
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> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>
>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@microsoft.com...
>>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>>> > hyper-v
>>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>>> > plans
>>> > for
>>> > a local admin tool?
>>>
>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>>> Hyper-V
>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>>> but
>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>>> mode
>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>
>>
>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
>> and
>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
>> too.
>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>>
>
> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to
> have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered
> remotely.
>
>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
>> skip
>> Vista, that is a fact.
>>
>
> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on
> October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in
> technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre
> the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS
>
>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at
>> work,
>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
>> be
>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).
>
>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the
OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1.

"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
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> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@microsoft.com...
>>>> > One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on
>>>> > hyper-v
>>>> > server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any
>>>> > plans
>>>> > for
>>>> > a local admin tool?
>>>>
>>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or
>>>> Hyper-V
>>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry
>>>> but
>>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin
>>>> mode
>>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run,
>>> and
>>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install
>>> too.
>>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>>>
>>
>> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
>> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire
>> to have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be
>> administered remotely.
>>
>>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will
>>> skip
>>> Vista, that is a fact.
>>>
>>
>> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on
>> October 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in
>> technoillygy term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre
>> the Aug 24th 01 RTM. Either way you are using an old OS
>>
>>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at
>>> work,
>>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to
>>> be
>>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
>>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan
> The main problem is that XP just doesn't have the necessary bits in the
> OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista doesn't. You need SP1.
>

Which not be a problem for anyone wanting to run the modern server platforms
from Microsoft. There is really no point in Kimpsu continuing to badger
about wanting an admin tool on XP when there are perfectly good options such
as running your admin machine on Vista SP1, or using a RDP session to a
Server 2008 machine with the admin tools installed (or run a Vista VM on the
admin workstation using something like Virtual PC etc - or switch to Vista
SP1 and if he has legacy apps that require XP then run those on a VM).
Since to manage a Server 2008 environment remotely you need to be using the
RSAT tools anyway and they require Vista SP1.

This all seems like a fairly pointless discussion.
--

Mike Brannigan
>

http://www.utharam.com/ --> Hyper-V Management Console for XP

> On Friday, December 12, 2008 11:41 AM fafa wrote:

> Hello
>
> what is the best way to manage hyper-v from a xp computer ? i can't find
> any install of the console (only for vista sp1 & W2K8 server) for xp...
>
> another question, where should i set up the system center 2008, can i
> install it on my hyper-v server or should i install it on a dedicated one ?
>
> Thks
> fafa


>> On Monday, December 15, 2008 2:51 PM Ryan Sokolowski [MVP] wrote:

>> Install SCVMM on a separate system, not your managed Hyper-V server(s). No
>> Hyper-V Manager available for XP (AFAIK).
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> --Ryan
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Sokolowski
>> MVP - Clustering
>> MCT, MCITP x3, MCTS x7, MCSE x2, CCNA, CCDA, BCFP
>>
>>
>> "fafa" <fadhelbb@free.Fr> wrote in message
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>>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:19 AM Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>> "fafa" <fadhelbb@free.Fr> wrote in message
>>> news:%23ttNIiHXJHA.868@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Open an RDP session to your System center VMM 2008 system that you are
>>> hosting on another system (not one of your Hyper-V servers)
>>> Alternatively update your admin desktop machine from the 9 year old OS you
>>> now have to Windows Vista with SP1
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Brannigan


>>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:58 PM Kimps wrote:

>>>> This is something I'd also like to have. A management console to control
>>>> Hyper-V from Windows XP workstation.


>>>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:18 PM Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>> Then your options are RDP to the SCVMM 2008 server or upgrade.
>>>>> You will not get a management tool for an end off life OS (time to upgrade)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Brannigan


>>>>>> On Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:51 AM Kimps wrote:

>>>>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reality is, that many still use XP and are not even planning on upgrading to
>>>>>> Vista. XP might soon be EOL as far as premium support goes, but it wasn't
>>>>>> when Hyper-V RTM was released.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about a situation where there is no SCVMM, and no possibility of a
>>>>>> local GUI for management. Like Hyper-V Server 2008? It seems the only option
>>>>>> is to just go for Vmware/Xen, as they offer management tools for XP too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am just talking theoretically, I personally don't have this problem, but I
>>>>>> can see why this might be a problem for many.


>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:33 AM Kimps wrote:

>>>>>>> One solution would be an installable package of hyper-v manager on hyper-v
>>>>>>> server 2008 or server 2008 core. Does anyone know if there are any plans for
>>>>>>> a local admin tool?


>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:32 AM Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ED03B753-6D95-4495-AEB2-8DD67D69B837@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There would be no point in installing a Hyper-V manager on Core or Hyper-V
>>>>>>>> Server as there is no GUI (one of the whole points of core).
>>>>>>>> You HAVE to use the remote tools to manage these effectively. So sorry but
>>>>>>>> you need to either access a Serve 2008 (full install system) in admin mode
>>>>>>>> and have the tools installed there or get off your 9 year old OS .
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan


>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 19, 2008 2:15 PM Kimps wrote:

>>>>>>>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, there is enough GUI for task manager / notepad / cmd / etc to run, and
>>>>>>>>> for example IBM ServeRAID Manager GUI runs just fine on a core install too.
>>>>>>>>> So there is no reason why some other tool couldn't tool.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS. XP is "only" 6 years old, not 9. And you have to realize many will skip
>>>>>>>>> Vista, that is a fact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I personally have Vista and Hyper-V Server 2008 at home and SCVMM at work,
>>>>>>>>> so I don't have this problem. But still I can see why many would like to be
>>>>>>>>> able to control it without Vista or full install of 2008, and it is an
>>>>>>>>> interesting topic to discuss (that's why I joined this discussion).


>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 19, 2008 7:33 PM Bill Grant wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> It may be of interest, but it will not happen!


>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 05, 2009 12:06 PM Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> "Kimpsu" <Kimpsu@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:3B4F9D00-77FC-40F4-A897-4E44FE0B73EA@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well other then the ability to run a couple of system tools on the system
>>>>>>>>>>> does not mean that the whole core model should be ruined by your desire to
>>>>>>>>>>> have a local admin tool on an OS designed by default to be administered
>>>>>>>>>>> remotely.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> XP was release August 24th 2001 with genrela publoic avaialbitly on October
>>>>>>>>>>> 25th 2001, so is heading towards 8 years old this summr and in technoillygy
>>>>>>>>>>> term is older with the deveip,mneg work ending long beofre the Aug 24th 01
>>>>>>>>>>> RTM. Either way you are using an old OS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan


>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 05, 2009 6:37 PM Bill Grant wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> The main problem is that XP just does not have the necessary bits in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to run the Hyper-V MMC. Even RTM Vista does not. You need SP1.


>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:04 AM Mike Brannigan wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23hu2P64bJHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which not be a problem for anyone wanting to run the modern server platforms
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Microsoft. There is really no point in Kimpsu continuing to badger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about wanting an admin tool on XP when there are perfectly good options such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as running your admin machine on Vista SP1, or using a RDP session to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Server 2008 machine with the admin tools installed (or run a Vista VM on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admin workstation using something like Virtual PC etc - or switch to Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SP1 and if he has legacy apps that require XP then run those on a VM).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since to manage a Server 2008 environment remotely you need to be using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RSAT tools anyway and they require Vista SP1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This all seems like a fairly pointless discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Brannigan


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